Police Chief Shoots Self at Gun Training Session
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Post subject: Police Chief Shoots Self at Gun Training Session  Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:47 am |
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Monday , May 05, 2008 AP RIVERDALE, Utah — The police chief in Riverdale accidentally shot himself in an ankle while demonstrating how to dislodge a jammed handgun. Chief Dave Hansen was taken to McKay-Dee Hospital in Ogden for surgery. The 54-year-old chief accidentally fired a gun during a training exercise inside a conference room at Riverdale police headquarters. A fire captain and Riverdale Mayor Bruce Burrows confirmed the chief shot himself Saturday in an ankle bone. They said he was trying to fix a gun with a jammed round when the bullet fired. Riverdale police officers carry .40-caliber pistols. Hospital supervisor Rohn Larsen said Hansen was in stable condition Sunday. Larsen said he couldn't reveal which ankle — left or right — the chief shot. A Weber County dispatcher said nobody from the Riverdale police department was available Sunday to release any information on the accident. A patrol officer on duty Sunday said he didn't know anything about it. The chief's brother, a state lawmaker, said Hansen is a 23-year veteran and chief of the Riverdale police force since 2006. Rep. Neil Hansen, D-Ogden, said he regularly goes target practicing with his brother and described him as safety-conscious. "I've never seen him do anything reckless," Neil Hansen told the Standard-Examiner of Ogden.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:44 am |
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Must have been one of those pesky Glocks. Dean, you forgot to add; "I'm the only one in this room perfeshonal enuf..."
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:46 am |
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Quote: "I've never seen him do anything reckless," Neil Hansen told the Standard-Examiner of Ogden. Hmm, what about boneheaded?
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:12 am |
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I'm not making any excuses for this guy. He made a mistake and is paying for it.
However, even the best shooters have NDs. It happens.
Hopefully he and others will learn from this mistake.
I am glad that a LEO was involved in some firearm training. That's actually the encouraging part of the story.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:47 am |
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JoeH wrote: However, even the best shooters have NDs. It happens. Best shooter <> safe gun handler.
There's really no excuse for this. At least he shot himself and not someone else.
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JoeH
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:23 am |
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macphisto wrote: JoeH wrote: However, even the best shooters have NDs. It happens. Best shooter <> safe gun handler. There's really no excuse for this. At least he shot himself and not someone else. That's an uninformed, inexperienced, elitist opinion.
As I said, I was not making an excuse for him because there isn't one.
I've seen NDs by very experienced, advanced shooters. It happens, Mac, even to the best.
Despite your best efforts, some day it may happen to you. I hope that it doesn't.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:56 am |
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JoeH wrote: That's an uninformed, inexperienced, elitist opinion. And that's a bit harsh, but you're attacking my opinion and not me so fair game, I suppose. JoeH wrote: As I said, I was not making an excuse for him because there isn't one. We agree on this. JoeH wrote: I've seen NDs by very experienced, advanced shooters. It happens, Mac, even to the best. I understand that it happens, but want to understand why it happens. My best guess is that it has to do with overconfidence and complacency. JoeH wrote: Despite your best efforts, some day it may happen to you. I hope that it doesn't. I know better than to say "it will never happen to me," but if I do everything right, it shouldn't. Just because someone can make a fast and smooth draw from the holster and put lead downrange quickly and accurately does not give that person the right to forget the four rules or to ever think the rules don't apply because of their vast experience and skill.
At the last steel shoot, I witnessed an experienced shooter attempt to clear a jam with his finger all over the trigger and the muzzle pointed dangerously close to his foot. Did the rules not apply because the clock was running? Surely he knows better, right?
My plan is to treat guns with respect and follow the rules at all times. If I can manage that, I should be rewarded with never shooting something I didn't intend to shoot.
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JoeH
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:41 pm |
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Mac, you are a good guy.  It is hard to address someone's opinion without offending them personally. I appologise.
This Chief may be a total bone head.
NDs happen for reasons you mentioned and this may be the case here. They also happen during stressful situations, whether in training or in a gun fight. They happen when something out of the ordinary happens (a loose t-shirt wanders into a holster).
I'm not saying that NDs are inevitable. They are all preventable.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:51 pm |
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You guys are missing the problem.
Here is the problem:
Quote: The 54-year-old chief accidentally fired a gun during a training exercise inside a conference room This was not a mistake made on a hot range, he was trying to clear a jam (demonstrating jam clearing techniques?) with live ammo in a freaking conference room.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:56 pm |
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DeanC wrote: he was trying to clear a jam (demonstrating jam clearing techniques?) with live ammo in a freaking conference room. BINGO!
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:03 pm |
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DeanC wrote: You guys are missing the problem. Here is the problem: Quote: The 54-year-old chief accidentally fired a gun during a training exercise inside a conference room This was not a mistake made on a hot range, he was trying to clear a jam (demonstrating jam clearing techniques?) with live ammo in a freaking conference room.  I guess that I missed the whole "conference room" thing.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:24 pm |
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JoeH wrote: However, even the best shooters have NDs. It happens.
Maybe and maybe not. I am in no way going to say that it will never happen to me, that would be pretty arrogant, but every time I handle a firearm, I guard against it in every way I can.
I have been told I am a little over cautious because I have an inert firing pin in my class demonstration weapon, use orange dummy rounds, control the muzzle control and no live ammo in class. I don't think that is over cautious at all, just trying to take as many safe guards as possible and still believe in Murphy.
Someone had a ND in Farnam's advanced class this weekend, this is what one of the instructors said when the class was winding down. Nobody knows who it was except the instructor and that student, but it does happen even in a training environment with experienced shooters.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:10 pm |
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macphisto wrote: I understand that it happens, but want to understand why it happens. My best guess is that it has to do with overconfidence and complacency. I'm thinking those can be big traps for the experienced shooter. 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:51 pm |
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cobb wrote: Maybe and maybe not. I am in no way going to say that it will never happen to me, that would be pretty arrogant, but every time I handle a firearm, I guard against it in every way I can. I've had two NDs. The second caused no damage, because the weapon was pointed in a safe direction. It was my first time using a .22LR target pistol that had a far lighter trigger than I was used to. I don't know that anyone at the range but me noticed that the round went off before I had the pistol on target, but I certainly did.
The first was more serious. I was doing 3-5 second rushes, back when I was in the Army, and went down behind a tree. The muzzle of my M16 bounced off the tree, hit me in the head, and discharged, killing me. Fortunately, we were training with blanks and MILES gear, so the "kill" was only temporary.
Both incidents caused me to think seriously about my weapons handling.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:46 pm |
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I had one deer hunting many years ago. I was unloading my old Mod 92 Winchester lever action. As I normally did when unloading that gun, I had the gun pointed at the ground as I worked the lever to remove the 4 rounds I had in the magazine. It seemed to occur in slow motion because I saw it happening just before the bang. A piece of my glove got caught between the lever and the trigger and fired the last round. Since the gun was pointed at the ground, no harm was done except to my ego.
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