Ramstad Retire Article Beware
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Tabsr
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Post subject: Ramstad Retire Article Beware  Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:30 pm |
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Read the section in Sunday edition of the MPLS sociaist star and tribune. Located in the Opinion section and states the opinion poll very low percent support for carry permit. Less than 20%
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dismal
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:35 pm |
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http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1438481.html
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Three out of five Third District poll respondents called themselves "prochoice." A slightly larger share oppose the "Bachmann amendment" that would ban both marriage and civil unions for same-sex couples. Fewer than one in five approve of the state's 2004 law allowing the concealed carrying of handguns, Morris found.
Sounds like a 3rd district problem, not necessarily a MN at large problem.
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JonL
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:01 pm |
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dismal wrote: ...Sounds like a 3rd district problem, not necessarily a MN at large problem. What problem?
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chunkstyle
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:44 am |
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Yeah, what problem? We don't need them to approve of carry, we just need them to acquiesce. As for the other stuff, well, that's just live-and-let-live libertarianism. A positive thing, in my book.
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joelr
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:09 am |
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chunkstyle wrote: Yeah, what problem? We don't need them to approve of carry, we just need them to acquiesce. Actually, we don't need that. What we do need is as many reps and senators as possible who are afraid of crossing the movement for fear of losing their jobs. Doesn't sound like that's going on there, which is the problem.
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Scott Hughes
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joelr wrote: chunkstyle wrote: Yeah, what problem? We don't need them to approve of carry, we just need them to acquiesce. Actually, we don't need that. What we do need is as many reps and senators as possible who are afraid of crossing the movement for fear of losing their jobs. Doesn't sound like that's going on there, which is the problem. No slant on this article  Seems what she would like to emphasize is Social Engineering.
Could be in the next election people will look at what tax and spend has done to their wallets and have a different sentiment about who they want for their representation.
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chunkstyle
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:57 am |
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It's not tax and spend that's the problem, it's borrow and spend. The last 7 years have put this country further in the hole than the preceding 222. But yeah, we surely need more responsible government. However, I actually agree with the article writer's conclusion. Both parties would be best served by finding another candidate like Ramstad.
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joelr wrote: chunkstyle wrote: Yeah, what problem? We don't need them to approve of carry, we just need them to acquiesce. Actually, we don't need that. What we do need is as many reps and senators as possible who are afraid of crossing the movement for fear of losing their jobs. Doesn't sound like that's going on there, which is the problem. Acquiescence through fear works for me.
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Andrew Rothman
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dismal wrote: http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1438481.html
Fewer than one in five approve of the state's 2004 law allowing the concealed carrying of handguns, Morris found. Would that 2004 law she speaks of be the 2003 law or its 2005 re-passage?
Fine journalism there, Lori Sturdevant.
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Andrew Rothman wrote: dismal wrote: http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1438481.html
Fewer than one in five approve of the state's 2004 law allowing the concealed carrying of handguns, Morris found. Would that 2004 law she speaks of be the 2003 law or its 2005 re-passage? Fine journalism there, Lori Sturdevant. Neither. She's talking about the little-known 2004 law allowing concealed carry. I guess the 2003 version only allowed open carry and was restricted to handguns. 
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Scott Hughes
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Andrew Rothman wrote: dismal wrote: http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1438481.html
Fewer than one in five approve of the state's 2004 law allowing the concealed carrying of handguns, Morris found. Would that 2004 law she speaks of be the 2003 law or its 2005 re-passage? Fine journalism there, Lori Sturdevant. From my perspective of the Red Star editorial staff, facts don't carry as much weight as does bias rhetoric. 
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