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Drizzle
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Post subject: Lake Phalen attacks Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:31 am |
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Joined: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:05 am Posts: 60 Location: St Paul, MN
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http://www.startribune.com/local/421984 ... DCinchO7DU
I walk around Como regularly, and Phalen occasionally. Sounds like I need to leave one earbud from the iPod loose, so I can hear these folks sneaking up on me.
630 on the west side of the lake is pretty bold, there's two parking lots, the beach center and houses right across the street on the southwest side, and it wasn't even dark yet. I'd be willing to bet this happened in the area just south of the boat launch, plenty of woodsy trails for a quick getaway for your urban opportunist.
Sooner or later these guys are going to hit someone who's got a pistol in their pocket, and the story will turn out much differently.
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princewally
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Post subject: Re: Lake Phalen attacks Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:36 am |
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Drizzle wrote: Sounds like I need to leave one earbud from the iPod loose, so I can hear these folks sneaking up on me.
Always. Your hearing is your best, most effective early warning device. Long(relatively) range and effectively 360 degree coverage. Jogging or walking with an iPod in any sort of semi-secluded area is asking to be mugged, or worse.
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Re: Lake Phalen attacks Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:49 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:24 am Posts: 6767 Location: Twin Cities
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johnnyg08
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:11 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:29 am Posts: 193 Location: MN
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chances would be good that the runner had both earbuds in...doesn't make it okay to attack...just saying
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:10 am |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:24 am Posts: 6767 Location: Twin Cities
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plblark
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:16 am |
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Thank you.
_________________ Certified Carry Permit Instructor (MNTactics.com and ShootingSafely.com) Click here for current Carry Classes "There is no safety for honest men, except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edwin Burke
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PocketProtector642
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Post subject: Re: Lake Phalen attacks Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:33 am |
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Andrew Rothman wrote: Drizzle wrote: Sounds like I need to leave one earbud from the iPod loose, so I can hear these folks sneaking up on me. Seriously, I'd say both.
At some point, you need to make decisions about what pleasures in life you are willing to sacrifice to be safe. If you really like listening to your ipod while jogging, listen to it. It may not be worth it to you to sacrifice everything you like to give you the "upper edge". With that kind of thinking we would all be stuck in our houses with metal bars on our windows.
Its a personal choice. I dont choose to wear my ipod while walking around, but I dont have bars on my windows either.
_________________ Proud owner of 2 wonderful SGH holsters. "If man will not work, he shall not eat" (2 Th 3:14) "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one" -Jesus (Luke 22:36)
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havegunjoe
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:07 am |
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Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:32 am Posts: 515 Location: Metro Area - Apple Valley
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Notice the news article give no description of who did the attacking. What does the suspect LOOK LIKE for crying-out-loud? Let’s not give potential victims any kind of advantage by telling readers a good description.
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BigBlue
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:52 pm |
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havegunjoe wrote: Notice the news article give no description of who did the attacking. What does the suspect LOOK LIKE for crying-out-loud? Let’s not give potential victims any kind of advantage by telling readers a good description.
The RedStar originally posted that info but yanked it. The Pioneer Press posted it and left it. See here:
http://www.twincitiescarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=142985
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ironbear
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Post subject: Re: Lake Phalen attacks Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:13 am |
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Drizzle wrote: Sounds like I need to leave one earbud from the iPod loose, so I can hear these folks sneaking up on me.
+1 On pulling the plug completely. I regularly run my dog next to my bike, and, when on the paths, always call my approach. On a regular basis, despite my alert, I startle the poo out of people as I pass. Inevitably, they have a bug up their ear! I have personally revised the color codes as follows.
Condition Red: Ready to fight
Condition Orange: High state of alertness
Condition Yellow: Relaxed state of heightened alertness
Condition White: Not aware or alert.
Condition iPod: Deliberate attempt to shut yourself off from your surrondings and minimize awareness.
_________________ You can't save the Earth unless you're willing to make other people sacrifice. ~Dogbert~
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tullibee
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:40 am |
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Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:49 pm Posts: 282 Location: Brooklyn Center
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maybe the police should plant some joggers around the lake, but exchange their iPods for some of those "hearing boosters" instead and be ready for these thugs instead!
could likely use the iPod earbuds to keep the "easy target" appearance!
As often as these attacks seem to be happening lately, it would only take a few evening shifts to maybe make a huge difference and to certainly make a point!
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plblark
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:46 am |
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anti-gun Co-worker: "And seriously, it's not like you could carry a GUN while jogging anyway. Where would you PUT it?"
Me: Do you have a walkman case and a decoy pair of earphones?
She: Yes, but why?
Me: Nevermind
_________________ Certified Carry Permit Instructor (MNTactics.com and ShootingSafely.com) Click here for current Carry Classes "There is no safety for honest men, except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edwin Burke
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Jeremiah
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:44 am |
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Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:46 pm Posts: 1292 Location: Minneapolis
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plblark wrote: anti-gun Co-worker: "And seriously, it's not like you could carry a GUN while jogging anyway. Where would you PUT it?" Me: Do you have a walkman case and a decoy pair of earphones? She: Yes, but why? Me: Nevermind
Nice...
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specialk922
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:46 am |
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Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:56 pm Posts: 20 Location: Twin Cities
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This is probably an old question, but how does one go about carrying while wearing typical exercise clothing? I've been wondering as summer approaches.
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plblark
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:49 am |
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I have a water bottle holder with a spot for a wallet or walkman ... The LCP fits in there. I've also been known to use Smart Carry or a web belt under the shorts with a baggy shirt. Depends on what you're doing.
_________________ Certified Carry Permit Instructor (MNTactics.com and ShootingSafely.com) Click here for current Carry Classes "There is no safety for honest men, except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edwin Burke
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